This week on Creative Guts, co-hosts Laura Harper Lake and Becky Barsi sit down with Haley Searcy, a multidisciplinary artist and arts community organizer.
This week on Creative Guts, co-hosts Laura Harper Lake and Becky Barsi sit down with Haley Searcy, a multidisciplinary artist and arts community organizer.
Our conversation dives into Haley’s practice with various mediums, what brought her to New Hampshire (from one Durham to another!), and why community organizing is important to her. We also dive into the Paper Jam Zine and Print Fest, of which Haley is a co-organizer. This special event is happening on Saturday, November 7th at the Millspace in Newmarket, NH.
Learn more about Haley’s work at www.haleysearcyart.com and @haleysearcyart on Instagram, TikTok, and Pinterest. Learn more about the Paper Jam Zine and Print Fest at https://paperjam.mailerpage.io/ and at www.instagram.com/paperjamzinefest.
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[INTRODUCTION]
[0:00:00] LHL: I'm Laura Harper-Lake.
[0:00:01] BB: I'm Becky Barsi.
[0:00:03] LHL & BB: And you're listening to Creative Guts.
[0:00:18] BB: Hey friends, thanks for tuning into Creative Guts, the podcast that's on a mission to awaken creativity, community, collaboration, and opportunities for gutsy creatives of all ages.
[0:00:27] LHL: This is our first interview episode back since our summer break, and we're kicking off with someone who is so cool. Haley Searcy is with us today. Haley is a multidisciplinary artist with a passion for community building and creating accessible programs for established makers and those just starting out on their creative journeys. She's a co-organizer of the Paper Jam Zine and Print Fest, among many other things, which is a massively cool event coming to the New Hampshire Sea Coast this fall.
[0:00:55] BB: So sit back, settle in, and let's jump into this episode of Creative Guts with Haley Searcy.
[INTERVIEW]
[0:01:04] LHL: Haley, welcome to Creative Guts Podcast.
[0:01:06] BB: Yay, Haley Searcy.
[0:01:08] HS: Thank you for having me.
[0:01:10] BB: Yeah, welcome to the podcast. And we have a connection with Haley because you are one of our visiting or guest artists at Art 'Round the Room 2025.
[0:01:20] HS: Yeah, that was so much fun. I really enjoyed teaching collage at that event. It was so, so fun.
[0:01:26] BB: It was one of our most popular stations.
[0:01:28] LHL: Yes, it actually was.
[0:01:29] BB: We're really, really excited to have you on the show.
[0:01:32] HS: I'm excited to be here.
[0:01:33] LHL: Also, I'm wearing my favorite shirt, which you made. So there's another connection. Feeling crabby.
[0:01:38] BB: And it's also on your computer too.
[0:01:40] LHL: Yeah. I'm a big fan of this design. It is a crab saying feeling crabby. And he's holding a sword.
[0:01:47] BB: Not just any sword, a short sword.
[0:01:49] LHL: Becky, look at you.
[0:01:50] BB: Look at me. That's because my Dolmenwood character has a short sword. Hey, I'm nerding.
[0:01:55] LHL: You are. Are you nerdy? Do you like nerdy stuff?
[0:01:59] HS: Yeah, I would say so.
[0:02:00] BB: How do you nerd out?
[0:02:01] HS: How do I nerd out? I used to play role-playing games with my partner and friends. I like Call of Cthulhu. I think that one's my favorite.
[0:02:10] LHL: Very cool. Do you like horror stuff?
[0:02:11] HS: Yes.
[0:02:12] LHL: Oh, yeah. That's awesome.
[0:02:14] BB: I'm a newbie to role-playing games, so I have no idea what you're talking about.
[0:02:22] HS: Have you been playing D&D?
[0:02:23] BB: Dolmenwood. So it's like a different kind of world, but similar, I guess.
[0:02:27] HS: Cool.
[0:02:28] BB: Yeah. I'm still learning.
[0:02:30] LHL: I'm currently playing Starfinder, which is an offshoot of Pathfinder.
[0:02:34] HS: Okay. I've heard of that.
[0:02:35] LHL: It's like space. It's future. It's cybernetics and cyberpunk and stuff. So it's really good.
[0:02:40] BB: And we could probably talk about role-playing games all day, but we're here to talk about you, Haley. So for listeners that know nothing about you, will you introduce yourself and tell us just a little bit about who you are as a creative?
[0:02:51] HS: Yeah, so I'm Haley. I'm a multidisciplinary artist and teaching artist based in the Seacoast. I love to collage and draw and work with textiles. I also love just learning everything in general relating to the arts. So one time somebody asked me to learn woodworking with them and it was scary, but I did it.
[0:03:11] BB: What did you make?
[0:03:12] LHL: I made a cutting board.
[0:03:13] BB: Oh, awesome.
[0:03:14] HS: Yeah. And it hasn't been used. I don't know where it is. But I did it.
[0:03:18] BB: Time to make a charcuterie board.
[0:03:20] HS: Yeah. So I just love doing all kinds of arts. I love to teach art. My teaching background is with teens for the most part, middle school and high school. But I've been trying to teach more classes geared towards adults lately, which has been really fun and different.
[0:03:35] BB: Sometimes they have the same struggles as middle schooler and high school-aged kids.
[0:03:40] LHL: Yeah. Maybe even more sometimes.
[0:03:42] BB: Yeah. So did you go to school for some sort of creative field or is this just something that you do?
[0:03:50] LHL: Self-taught, self-driven.
[0:03:53] HS: I would say that I went to an arts high school for creative writing, so not even for visual art. But I think the creative writing aspect still shows up a lot in my collages and my drawings. Whenever I draw something, I usually write out what I'm trying to draw first. But I did not go to school for art. I learned a lot through work and trial and error and volunteering.
[0:04:16] BB: I love that. That's awesome.
[0:04:16] LHL: Yeah, that is wicked cool.
[0:04:18] BB: You said you did some volunteering. So tell us a little bit more about that and how that blended the creative outlet.
[0:04:27] HS: So when I first moved here, I volunteered with an organization called Wrong Brain. So there was a lot of just art making as part of volunteering there, which was very fun because they had their community space in Dover. There's just a lot of people coming in and out, which was really great way to meet people when I first moved here.
[0:04:44] BB: Nice.
[0:04:44] LHL: Where are you from?
[0:04:46] HS: I'm from Durham, North Carolina.
[0:04:47] BB: No kidding.
[0:04:48] HS: One Durham to the other.
[0:04:50] BB: All right. All right.
[0:04:51] LHL: That's a great catch line.
[0:04:52] BB: And did you move up here for a job or was it just a change of scenery?
[0:04:57] HS: I moved here after I graduated from college in 2020. Fabulous time to graduate college.
[0:05:03] BB: Oh my gosh, you poor thing. At least most of your college wasn't during COVID days.
[0:05:09] HS: I know. The last two months was just kind of like, "Okay, I guess I'm done now." Because nobody knew how to work remotely or do anything. So we were just done. It was weird. No graduation.
[0:05:22] LHL: Oh, wow.
[0:05:24] HS: But I ended up finding an AmeriCorps position, which is like the Peace Corps, but here in America. I'm surprised how many people don't know about AmeriCorps.
[0:05:34] BB: Really?
[0:05:35] HS: I guess. I don't know.
[0:05:37] BB: Yeah, I heard about it because I have my background in education. And so that was an option that I was looking into post-school. Had you heard about AmeriCorps?
[0:05:45] LHL: Yeah. I think it was at a college or school event. And yeah, I think when I was in high school, I thought about the Peace Corps because that's what when you're idealistic, you want to change the world. And then I think that was part of it, too. But my path was a different one.
[0:05:59] BB: And so was your AmeriCorps position up in New England?
[0:06:03] HS: It was at Arts in Reach.
[0:06:06] BB: Oh, we love Arts in Reach.
[0:06:08] HS: Yeah, I worked there. I did AmeriCorps there for a year and then stayed on full time for a while. So it was kind of where I also learned a lot of art alongside the teens.
[0:06:18] BB: Oh, that's fabulous.
[0:06:19] HS: I was mentoring them, but also I'm like, "Ooh, I get to try to print make."
[0:06:23] LHL: Yeah. Oh, that's so cool.
[0:06:25] BB: And then this area just called to you.
[0:06:28] HS: Yeah. I thought I would just be here for a year, but it's been six years and I'm still here.
[0:06:32] BB: Awesome. Awesome.
[0:06:33] LHL: That's amazing. Probably, you've done so much with the community. You've integrated within the arts world and beyond, which we're going to talk about in a minute. But before we do, I want to dive back into your art, because as another multidisciplinary artist, how do you pick? What do you decide to work on and when you have all these mediums at your fingertips? What are your favorites? Do certain subject matters go towards certain mediums? How do you do all that? That was like five questions. I'm sorry.
[0:07:04] BB: Throw them all in.
[0:07:05] HS: I think lately I've been really into collage. I love making collage pins. I have a button maker that's an inch and a quarter, and I just love making weird little buttons.
[0:07:15] BB: Do you sell them?
[0:07:16] HS: Mm-hmm.
[0:07:16] BB: Oh, that's great.
[0:07:17] HS: Yeah, I have them at Auspicious Brew.
[0:07:19] BB: Oh, I've seen those. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
[0:07:22] HS: I don't know, sometimes I'm more serious with them, sometimes more weird, but I like that they're low pressure because it's just like an inch. And it's fine. And it's funny to watch people who chooses what buttons.
[0:07:34] BB: Yeah. Do you judge them?
[0:07:38] HS: Sometimes I'm like, "I wonder who is going to choose this one that says hairy chested demon child. Somebody will. But who is it?" My friend took one that just says milk. And I love that for her.
[0:07:54] LHL: That's awesome.
[0:07:54] HS: I don't know. I have like a million Pinterest boards for all of the different things I want to make but don't have time for. I'd love to make clothes, but it just seems like a lot to learn. But one day.
[0:08:08] LHL: Like upcycling type stuff or – yeah. I know it's fascinating to see folks and what they can create out of something that was someone else's creation and then like have a whole new fresh spin on it. Yeah, it's amazing.
[0:08:20] BB: I was helping my mom with a yard sale this past weekend and she was selling her sewing machine and I so wanted to take it home. But my husband's like –
[0:08:28] LHL: Will you actually?
[0:08:28] BB: No. It's going to sit in the closet and you won't use it because you have 10,000 other projects. So that's just my ADD brain. I want to do the thing. I want to do all the things. Do you have a space right now where maybe you could do that or add it to your repertoire of projects? Or do you think you'll just wait?
[0:08:47] HS: I think I need to wait because I own too many craft supplies now, basically what you were just saying. Because when I first moved here, I didn't have much so people would just give me things. But now I have too many things and I need to get rid of them so I can have space to make stuff.
[0:09:01] BB: Exactly. Exactly. It can be overwhelming.
[0:09:04] HS: Yeah.
[0:09:05] LHL: What are some of the common themes of your art? What are you creating subject-wise?
[0:09:10] HS: I love to create like whimsical creatures, especially I like drawing them. And I use a lot of animals and like fantasy inspired themes, such as a crab holding a knife or like a frog wizard. But lately my stuff's been getting more like – somebody described it as darkly playful. It's like a possum that says scream into the void.
[0:09:32] BB: Oh, I like it. We need more weird and dark art sometimes.
[0:09:40] HS: I'm just trying to let myself be more weird.
[0:09:43] BB: Yeah. Yeah. It's good to be weird.
[0:09:44] LHL: It is. Yeah. I think like in society, everyone's like, "You got to be in a box. You got to like certain things or be certain way." And usually it's the job of an artist to kind of push those boundaries. I think weirdness just comes with the territory.
[0:09:56] BB: Yeah.
[0:09:56] LHL: Hopefully.
[0:09:57] BB: For sure.
[0:10:00] LHL: So when you talked about community-based stuff, there's a whole slew of it on your CV, basically. There's so many free monthly community events that you put together. And then there's one big one coming up that we're really excited about. Oh, I feel like we're jumping around. But, yeah, let's dive into the Paper Jam Zine and Print Fest. Because Lindsay, Angry Gato, who's been on the show and she's part of the programming committee, has unleashed some of this on us. But we want to hear all the details from you.
[0:10:30] HS: Yeah, I'm really, really excited for Paper Jam. It's going to be an amazing zine fest in Newmarket on November 7th. And when Lindsay came up with the idea and shared it with me, I was very excited. Because as a teen, I went to zine fest. I don't know. I'm sad that there hasn't been one in the seacoast. Because obviously there's Luna Moth, which is awesome.
[0:10:53] LHL: Yes, it is.
[0:10:55] HS: So, yeah, I'm really excited. We're going to take over the mill space and have an area where there's like a reading library for zines, such as kind of like what you have here. But I'm assuming it'll be bigger.
[0:11:06] LHL: Yeah, I know. This is a tiny little bookshelf with three little shelves and it's got over 100 zines on it, believe it or not. Because they're so tiny, compact, portable. I mean, zines are where it's at.
[0:11:18] BB: And you said that in high school, you went to kind of a creative high school, but you've mainly focused in writing. And so it sounds like that early influence and experience is now bleeding into this major event. That's fantastic.
[0:11:32] HS: Yeah, I'm really excited. I love zines because they can just be everything you want them to be. I don't know. It doesn't have to be serious. Yeah, it can be a great playground for ideas. I made a zine recently with my partner called I Do Not Dream of Horses.
[0:11:50] BB: I'm so intrigued because I do dream of horses. So I want to know why you don't.
[0:11:56] HS: I got this horse reference book from like the 80s from Savers before it closed.
[0:12:01] BB: Oh, I'm I was so sad. R.I.P. Yeah.
[0:12:04] HS: We lost Savers and we lost JOANNs, and I miss them.
[0:12:07] LHL: I know. Where the heck does one get stuff now? I don't know.
[0:12:12] HS: Yeah, we like cut out all the horses and then it's a very chaotic, weird zine.
[0:12:15] BB: Oh my gosh. And so did you make additions or did you like – how did you end up actually – because there's so many different ways to compose and actually assemble and create and publish zines. So what was yours?
[0:12:28] HS: This one's a mini zine. My favorite zines are the mini zines where you take a page and then you fold it into eight pages. That's what I teach a lot of classes on around because it's just so easy and accessible. So I print them out at the library when the printer's working at the library.
[0:12:43] BB: Awesome.
[0:12:45] HS: And yeah.
[0:12:46] BB: And then do you do it in color or is it all like Xerox, like black and white? Is it even a Xerox machine anymore? Copier? Copy machine? We'll just say copy machine.
[0:12:55] LHL: Back in the 80s. I mean, Xerox is a brand, so it's like Kleenex versus –
[0:12:58] BB: Right. Kleenex. It's not a mimeographed zine. Rockin' our day, kids. That's fantastic. And so in addition to organizing and promoting this zine fest, are you also going to submit and like have your own table or are you just going to be the orchestrator?
[0:13:18] HS: I'll be there. Me and Lindsay will be sharing a table in like kind of a weird place in the festival because it would feel bad to take this spot. I don't know.
[0:13:26] BB: We, the organizers, get the best spot.
[0:13:30] HS: I get all the tables and nobody else gets any. So we'll be in a funny spot. But then also I can run around if I need to because I'm doing all the like social media stuff. So I'll probably be bopping around taking pictures and maybe interviewing people. I don't know.
[0:13:46] LHL: Yes.
[0:13:46] LHL: Interviews.
[0:13:48] BB: Yeah. What was the impetus of having this particular zine fest? Because there is the Luna Moth. Is it just because you wanted to bring the same kind of thing or something similar to the Seacoast? Or do you have a different idea or vision of what you want this to be this year and maybe in the future?
[0:14:04] HS: I think just the Seacoast is full of so many great storytellers and artists that it feels really important to bring it here because there's a lot of crossover between the Manchester area and here, but also it feels separate in some ways. So it feels important to have both spanning the different areas.
And it's cool because when we opened up applications, we got people submitting from all over the country, which was kind of wild, even though we've never done this before. So it's like, "Whoa, you want to come here from New York City or Chicago or Florida? That's cool."
[0:14:37] BB: That's so awesome.
[0:14:38] LHL: I think it was similar with the Luna Moth. It's just such a vibrant, beloved community. And so to go anywhere where people are going to love the same community as you is pretty exciting. Plus, New Hampshire is awesome. So people coming here, probably getting to see our cute little state. It's not bad.
What is the process for collaborating with Angry Gato? Lindsay.
[0:15:02] HS: I think we just collaborate really well naturally. I remember the first time I met her, we were vending next to each other in Lo's Fishes Brew Market. And we didn't talk a whole lot, but a year later, I guess we made an impact on each other because we started working together, Arts in Reach. And then we just kept collaborating even after both of us left there. So she's just great, a great human, full of ideas, easy to talk to.
[0:15:26] BB: She is super easy to talk to.
[0:15:27] LHL: Yes. And she got me into Dungeon Crawler Carl, so I'll be eternally grateful.
[0:15:34] HS: She's the best. It's cool she's on the programming committee now.
[0:15:38] LHL: Yeah, I know. It's amazing. It's so great. And Creative Guts will have a table at the Paper Jam, so we're really excited about that. And can't wait. Can't wait to see it continue hopefully year after year because I think it's so good for the region.
[0:15:53] HS: I'm stoked.
[0:15:54] BB: So you've got this big event coming up. I imagine that's probably taking up a lot of your headspace and time. But what are you physically working on? What are you actually creating right now?
[0:16:04] HS: I've been working on a zine series with my friend Cameron, Cameron Johnson. He's a wildlife photographer, which I've been wanting to collaborate with him for a while because, I mean, he has the photos and words already there. So I'm like, "How can I like Haley-fy it?"
So I've been working on compiling his photos and words into mini zines called Birds Are Cool, which was like the running title, but I think it's good.
[0:16:30] LHL: It's pretty straightforward. It's very good.
[0:16:31] HS: So the first one will be Ducks Are Cool, and then the second one will be Owls Are Cool. So I'm like digitally collaging. So it has like a junk journal vibe, but it's digital. I'm excited.
[0:16:43] LHL: Oh. Well, let us know when it's out. We'll get some for our library.
[0:16:49] BB: When you're digitizing, are you doing things in Photoshop, on your iPad? What's your process like?
[0:16:55] HS: I use Canva and I use Procreate. I do a lot of like layout stuff on Canva just because it's easier than Procreate. But I like using Procreate to make original designs and then putting them into Canva.
[0:17:08] BB: Right, right. You use Procreate for a lot of your drawing, right?
[0:17:11] LHL: Yes. Procreate is the king to me or the queen. I mean, I use Photoshop and Adobe Creative Suite and Canva. I use kind of everything. But for illustration, for art, for anything, I think Procreate is the most wonderful software in the world. I feel very strongly because they're very anti-AI, they're very user-friendly, and they're very affordable. It's like the most accessible price. It's not locked behind a monthly subscription like with Adobe, which, you know, is what it is.
[0:17:41] BB: Well, Procreate, if you're interested in sponsoring Creative Guts, we will love to highlight your products on the Creative Guts podcast.
[0:17:48] LHL: Yes, Procreate Dreams as well, the animation. I'm all for it. I've used that too. It's great.
[0:17:56] BB: Haley, you are a creator in so many different ways and you aspire to create in new media and down the line. What do you wish people understood better about just being a creative, especially in this area or in this time of life?
[0:18:12] HS: I think a lot of people get stuck in their heads about making things. And it's like, you can just make the thing. It doesn't have to be like an amazing piece of artwork. You can just make something. You can throw it away if you want after. You don't have to keep it or be precious about it. But that's all like part of the practice. You just, I don't know, have to keep making every day. And it doesn't have to be like the same thing. I feel like sometimes I get stuck in my head about wanting to – am I an illustrator? Am I a collage artist? Am I a fiber artist? It's like it doesn't matter. I can just do whatever I feel like on each day.
[0:18:46] BB: isn't that great and liberating when you're like, "Yeah, screw it. I can do whatever I want because I am an adult. I can make my own decisions about these things." And especially as a creative, to not box yourself in is a really important asset, I think, because then you are open to more ideas.
[0:19:03] LHL: I know. I feel like we box ourselves in because like our society likes labels because then there's an expectation and you're staying in these lines. But that's what's so cool about art is that you can surprise yourself, let alone the people that are viewing it. So it's cool to not have labels.
[0:19:20] HS: Yeah. I like multidisciplinary artist as a label because it's like that could be anything but it's still as specific as it needs to be.
[0:19:29] LHL: It feels like the check all of the above box on like a questionnaire, like all the things. That's all of it. And in a year or two, I might have more things to add to that. So, yeah, it's tough.
When Becky just asked about what do you want people to understand about that? And so you host a lot of free monthly community events. So I'd like to hear about those. But also, you must like see in real time interesting things of people unlocking their creativity. Do the folks who attend your workshops and events, are these folks that have been practicing creatives for a while that feel pretty comfortable around art materials or are they kind of newbies who are fresh kind of figuring things out?
[0:20:09] HS: I host Mending Club once a month at Auspicious Brew. I keep mentioning Auspicious Brew, but they're a very great, wonderful place.
[0:20:16] LHL: They've been on the podcast as well.
[0:20:17] BB: They have. And Laura just happened to design their logo, too.
[0:20:20] LHL: And all their labels for all their kombucha. Yeah. I love Helen and Jay and the whole crew.
[0:20:27] HS: Yep. They're so great. I can't imagine Dover without them. It's such an important community space.
[0:20:34] BB: So in the Mending – is it Mending Club? I'm sorry. You literally mending clothes and items.
[0:20:42] HS: I feel like a lot of people –
[0:20:43] BB: Or is it your soul you're mending?
[0:20:44] HS: Your soul.
[0:20:46] BB: Sometimes I can go for some soul mending.
[0:20:48] HS: People bring fiber arts in general. So like knitting, needle felting. But sometimes people bring their taxes and they're like, "We're mending our lives." A lot of people need like the body doubling of like looking for jobs. So they'll come hang out and like go on Indeed together. So that's nice.
[0:21:05] BB: I've heard about this. It's like life dates. Or what is it called? No, that's not what it's called. Life date – adulting dates? It's like friends get together and they do their taxes, they pay their bills and they have a glass of wine or kombucha or whatever it is. And I think that's a wonderful thing because there are all these mundane things that we have to do as adults that why not make it better with a kombucha and a friend or make a new friend? So that's awesome.
[0:21:39] HS: I didn't expect to make friends doing this. I don't know why I didn't. It makes sense.
[0:21:44] LHL: It's a wonderful by-product of it.
[0:21:46] HS: Yeah. I was just going to teach people how to sew, but now I hang out with friends from there all the time. It's lovely.
[0:21:52] LHL: How many folks usually go?
[0:21:53] HS: It depends on the day. It can be anywhere from 5 to like 15. Sometimes people will sit and hang out and then be like, "Oh, but we're not here for Mending Club. But it's like you're here talking.
[0:22:04] BB: You're here. Clearly, you're in the club.
[0:22:07] HS: I don't know. People are like, "I have to bring a sewing thing." It's like, "No, we can just hang out."
[0:22:14] BB: That's awesome. Do you have resources so that if somebody showed up and they were like, "Oh, this is cool. Can I hang?" That they could also try it?
[0:22:21] HS: Yeah, definitely. Me and my co -host, Cameron Johnson, bird guy.
[0:22:25] BB: Shout out Cameron.
[0:22:26] HS: We always bring sewing supplies and equipment. So I have like my bin of like thread and scissors and fabric and whatever people might need. Sometimes I just keep drawing stuff in my car because sometimes people don't want to sew. Or they'll bring a kid and I'm like, "Here, you can draw." Yeah, I was just trying to make it as easy as possible. If people need a needle, they can just have a needle. I have so many needles and pins. I don't need them. They can have them.
[0:22:53] BB: I love that. I love it. With the exception of the mill space where you're going to be having the Zine Festival, but do you host a lot of your events at Auspicious Brew or do you go to other locations in the Seacoast area?
[0:23:05] HS: I like to go to different places. I really like Thrifty Boutique, which is also in Dover, but it's a thrift shop. They also have an upcycling studio in the back.
[0:23:13] BB: Oh, nice. I don't think I've been there before.
[0:23:15] LHL: I haven't either. Yeah.
[0:23:15] BB: It's great. We'll have to go on a friend date there.
[0:23:18] LHL: Yes.
[0:23:19] HS: They call it their muck space, which I don't remember what it stands for. But instead of buying the fabric or buying the art supplies, you can use all of it for free in their space. They have a serger and sewing machine.
[0:23:32] BB: Wow, really? That's so cool.
[0:23:35] LHL: It's like a little makerspace type thing. Very cool.
[0:23:38] BB: I wish I had known about that. We're going to have to research this a little bit more, potentially another guest on the show. But to be able to go to a place and test out something, I wouldn't invest in a serger before knowing how to use it. That's awesome to know that there's a resource in the area for that. It's great.
[0:23:57] LHL: It's wicked cool.
[0:23:58] HS: Yeah. It's very small. It's about this size. Well, it's bigger than this, but about –
[0:24:03] BB: The studio or the table?
[0:24:04] HS: Studio. Yeah.
[0:24:05] BB: Okay. That's great.
[0:24:08] HS: It's awesome. I don't know. I like doing stuff there because they're really into upcycling too. They have a lot of like local upcycling artists selling their stuff there, which is nice.
[0:24:17] LHL: Oh, very cool.
[0:24:18] HS: So I'll be teaching a zine workshop there on October 17th.
[0:24:21] LHL: Awesome.
[0:24:22] BB: Oh, nice. All right. So October 17th is a workshop for the zines. And then the zine festival again is November 7th. Woo. I know. All right. Awesome. Awesome.
[0:24:33] LHL: And so from these like community events, have you learned anything from the people who come or witnessed any surprise, meet cutes or funny little conversations, or people awakening their curiosity with creativity?
[0:24:47] HS: I host Intuitive Collage Club, which is like what it sounds like, you collage and you just let the material speak to you. And there are these two friends that went. And then later on Instagram, like a couple weeks later, they posted that they were having a collage night again on their own. And I was like, yay. That's awesome.
[0:25:05] BB: You inspired them.
[0:25:05] HS: People can come back every month or they can do it once. They just need somebody to like tell them that it's okay to do it. Give them the supplies and then never come back. And that's great too because it means they're doing it on their own.
[0:25:18] LHL: Oh, you set them on their journey. That's so cool.
[0:25:20] BB: Well, you've clearly influenced other people. What were some of your early influences? Whether it's writing or creative methods or techniques. What makes you a creative? Or what helped you to become a creative?
[0:25:34] HS: My mom was an artist. She passed away when I was five from breast cancer. But she made her own sewing pattern. I remember being on her studio floor playing with fabric while she was sewing. And she also painted and drew and played guitar and all the things.
[0:25:50] BB: Oh, that's wonderful.
[0:25:51] HS: So even though I don't like remember super much about that time, it still like stands out and obviously made an impact. So I have a lot of her art around my apartment, which is lovely. And as I like learn more techniques, I want to try out more of what she did. She does interesting things with like quilting of clothing and like using contrasting threads. So that had a big impact, as you might guess.
And then my dad would always put me in like art summer camps growing up, which I learned a lot. I don't know. I think it's just like going to all the summer camps helped me choose what I wanted to do for my career in the beginning, like working at Arts in Reach because it was just like perpetual summer camp with the arts. It was awesome.
[0:26:39] BB: That's beautiful.
[0:26:39] LHL: Yeah, that is wonderful.
[0:26:40] BB: Early influences and clearly some core memories that have really stayed with you and continue to inspire you. Oh, I love that.
[0:26:48] LHL: What mediums have you not tackled yet that you want to tackle? I know there's a whole slew probably, but what are your like top two or three? I feel the same way. I always want to do more.
[0:26:58] HS: I know. What do you want to do?
[0:27:02] LHL: I want to – well, okay, so this is something I used to do, but I would love to go back to sculpting. I used to sculpt in college, specifically stone, and I really miss that. So I'd love to go back to that. But as far as new things, I've always wanted to work with resin. Becky has worked a lot with resin in the past with your art.
[0:27:21] BB: Yeah, I mean, I poured some on some work once, and it looked cool and shiny.
[0:27:25] LHL: Well, it looks amazing. I have a few Becky Barsi originals in my house, and one of my favorites has resin on it, and it just seems so cool. I don't know.
[0:27:33] BB: It is kind of cool. Yeah.
[0:27:35] LHL: I remember it being stinky, though.
[0:27:37] BB: Yeah, it definitely can be a little stinky. You got to have some good – sorry, Rose. Some good ventilation. But I like the way that you can also add items into the resin and create a three-dimensional collage in some ways. And I just like it flossy. It's nice and glossy.
[0:27:56] LHL: And honestly, I would say like – so I do collaging two or three times a year. And I think I wish I could ingrain that into like a weekly practice or monthly practice. Just do it a lot more. Becky came over and we had a collage night, what, like six months ago? I mean, it was ages ago. And I remember loving doing it. It was so much fun. And then it's like I think I just dive into the work that's for selling, for the studio, for whatever. And I just don't prioritize like the play of making. And then I interview someone like you and I'm like, "Gosh, darn it, I'm going to do it again." It's like I want to go back because I have a specific sketchbook for just my collages.
[0:28:30] BB: Right, right. Have you ever done visual journaling?
[0:28:33] HS: I think that's what I did most of like growing up. Because even though I – I don't know. I didn't really get into like drawing for real until I was older. But like all throughout high school and college I have just journals and journals of writings and drawings.
[0:28:49] BB: Oh, that's awesome.
[0:28:51] LHL: I don't know if that's what visual journaling is.
[0:28:52] BB: Yeah, I mean, it can be pretty much any type of journaling, but then the addition of some sort of visual element in it. And when I was teaching, there was these artists whose names I can't remember off the top of my head right now but these two art professors and they created I think two or three different books now on visual journaling. And their first one is called Journal Fodder Junkies. And the fodder is all of the just stuff that you physically collect over the course of your day, like a receipt, or a sticker label off of something, or a business card or You find a scrap of something two-dimensional in the street. And then you collect these and you just paste them into like a nice big sketchbook. And then you can draw and journal and write and do all sorts of things in it and it becomes this visual, much more dynamic visual representation of your life and your day. And that was a really fun process for me and I love teaching that. But I haven't done it in years.
[0:29:51] LHL: I want to go home and do it right now.
[0:29:55] BB: So because you're really building a wonderful community and foundation for yourself as a creative in New Hampshire, let's say if money were no objects like lottery, win big, never work again money, what would your creative life look like tomorrow?
[0:30:13] HS: I would love a studio with huge windows and a lot of natural light. I love natural dyes but there's no space to do it. So I would love just enough space to be able to do natural dyeing. But also this year I've been thinking a lot about like art as a career or not as a career. Big thoughts.
And I think for me, it's really important to do something that makes a difference in the world because so many people need help in so many different ways. So it's important to me to just try to take away barriers to whatever that may be. In college, I got my degree in sociology with a concentration in social inequalities. So that's just really important to me to strive to make the world even a little bit better or make our community better.
I'd want to make sure that I'm still fulfilling that and doing that while I do art and that balance, which could be through art. Working at Arts in Reach, I was able to do that through art. But now it feels kind of good to have it work full time and do art on the side, so then it's still for me. That's kind of a roundabout. I don't know. I guess.
[0:31:28] BB: Is your day job – I don't know why I just put that in quotes because it's your job. But is it like a nine to five kind of thing where you don't have to be really thinking about it too much at the end of the day, so that way you can dedicate more of your headspace to your creative practice?
[0:31:43] HS: Yeah, I think it'll generally be like that. It's still so new. I think that it will be a job where I can leave the office, turn off my computer and then like switch gears. Or maybe I'll like get amped up and make art about what I have to do with during the day –
[0:32:01] BB: That's good. That's like art therapy.
[0:32:04] HS: And if I could, I think I'd go back to this a lot, but I would like to be an art therapist at some point. So I'm inching my way to that.
[0:32:13] BB: Looking into a graduate program. Awesome. Congrats. That would be really huge. And so I look forward to that for you.
[0:32:21] HS: Thank you. It feels good to like – even if it's like micro steps.
[0:32:25] BB: Yeah.
[0:32:25] HS: I need to do some prerequisites before I can even do that because I need like psychology credits and art credits. And also, I just want to learn those things. And even if I don't end up doing the program, I still took cool classes and learned a lot. Because psychology and art is everything every day anyway.
[0:32:47] LHL: I love learning. If I want a ton of money, I think there's like lots of things I would do. But I think I'd always take a college class. Just more classes. Not for any degree even. Just to do it. Just to learn and be with others who are excited about learning.
[0:33:00] BB: There's a lot of – or at least. I don't know if this has been shut down. But I remember there's some communities or some schools where maybe I think you have to be a retirement age where you can just go and sit in on classes.
[0:33:11] LHL: You audit.
[0:33:11] BB: You audit, yeah. And you don't have to pay. But I don't know. They probably frowned on that.
[0:33:18] LHL: We need to like Mrs. Doubtfire ourselves and just look super old and be like, "I'm here to learn more about art." I don't know why I have that accent.
[0:33:28] BB: Because you're playing a part. You're also really trying to –
[0:33:34] LHL: I have a transatlantic accent. Show me some more art, please. I haven't print made since the war. All right. This is what we're doing. We're going to document it. It's going to be an art experiment piece of public art.
[0:33:50] BB: Well, I mean, there's tons of online programs where you could probably get credits that are transferable into a program. So I hope that you pursue that because I think that would be really – I mean, just with your background too, it seems like you are on the track that would fit art therapy for sure. That's exciting.
[0:34:10] HS: Well, I took a drawing class at Great Bay. So I think I'm gonna take all my classes just one at a time at Great Bay Community College.
[0:34:18] LHL: That's the way to do it.
[0:34:20] BB: There's some really great professors there and some local artists that I can't remember any of the names of. This is what happens. I get put on the spot and then I can't remember anybody's name.
[0:34:28] LHL: Well, it is a Monday at seven o'clock at night. It happens.
[0:34:32] BB: But I think community college is such a valuable asset. And having been a high school teacher that I think a lot of students don't take as much advantage of as they should. And I certainly did. After the fact, I went to college thinking I knew, "Oh, this is what I'm going to be." And then realized two years in and many thousands, tens of thousands of dollars later, like, "Nope, this is not going to happen." But if I had just taken a couple of community college classes, even the summer after graduating high school and just started tiptoeing through those gen eds and checking those boxes, but also taking some classes like, "Hmm, do I want to be a sociologist? Or do I want to be an artist? Or do I want to be a chemist?" And then you just figure it out from there and you save so much money.
All you youngsters out there, you don't have to go to college immediately. Or you can go to college but maybe you just try local community college where you can figure things out and then work the other half, make some bank, and then you're setting yourself up to have a really nice foundation for when you do want to start a career. That's just my two cents.
[0:35:47] HS: I think, yeah, before 2020, it felt like kind of stigmatized in a way to go to community college or like it was never even presented to me as an option. It was like you're going to school or to university. Four years. Like, "Oh, okay." But it's nice. I guess the narrative around it has changed to be more like this is better for your wallet, like you said, but also like you get to explore things and you get to stay at home. Because it's just more normal now to go to community college, which is awesome.
[0:36:15] BB: I'm glad. I'm glad to hear that. I hope that that continues to gain more traction.
[0:36:19] LHL: Yep. And a lot of professors are teaching at both at the same time. So it's not like you're getting –
[0:36:25] BB: A lesser professor.
[0:36:25] LHL: Yeah, exactly. We know a lot of folks who teach at both levels, and it's just because –
[0:36:32] BB: Or these are people who are actually working in their careers. And they maybe just teach a community college class, where if you're at a bigger university, that professor may only be teaching. And maybe they're doing a little research on the side, but they're not actually in the field. I think it's a wonderful opportunity. So good luck.
[0:36:54] HS: Thank you.
[0:36:56] BB: Can't wait to hear more.
[0:36:56] LHL: Haley, I just realized something about – I don't know why my voice went Southern there. Well, I just realized something.
[0:37:03] BB: You're trying to get into Haley's Southern roots.
[0:37:06] LHL: Haley, we got to go back a few. So we didn't have you answer what mediums do you want to get into. You asked ours and we just talked about it and then moved on.
[0:37:18] BB: I'm so glad you caught that.
[0:37:20] HS: I'm sneaky.
[0:37:20] LHL: Well, I was thinking – oh, was it intentional to try to not answer? I was thinking, oh, there's going to be at least two or three listeners are going to be like, "Haley didn't answer the question."
[0:37:32] BB: There's go Becky and Laura talking over the guest again.
[0:37:35] LHL: I know, yeah. Spotlight's on you, friend.
[0:37:40] HS: I had an answer, then I lost it.
[0:37:43] BB: I'm sorry.
[0:37:44] HS: Oh, okay. No, I got it, I got it. I would love to be able to do ceramics more. Especially hand building. I'd love to make a bunch of little guys. But it's just so much money. And I don't know where I would go. And there's just a lot. It's a high barrier. So I guess I have done ceramics, but I can't continue doing it. I would like to.
[0:38:05] BB: It can be hard. Yeah, trying to find a location, a spot that's nearby and accessible and affordable too can be tricky. But there's some really good – I mean, if you're trying to make little figurines, really little guys, I mean, there's some really good air-dry clay out there too. So just because it's not traditional ceramics doesn't mean you can't explore other ceramic-esque approaches.
[0:38:29] LHL: Also, not quite ceramics, but if you're looking to make like little guys and stuff, I remember in college there were a few folks that would make molds. And then they'd pour wax and do like little wax birds and just dot them all over the landscape of this college. And it was just really kind of neat. So maybe, yeah, like alternative materials and stuff could be neat for – but yeah, I love sculpture. I wish I could have – yeah. Lottery guys, on my way. I want to do it all.
[0:38:53] HS: I need like a mess sink for printmaking because I accidentally stained my tub. Apparently that's just part of it.
[0:39:00] BB: Oh, gosh. Get a good scrub brush for that. That reminds me I need to scrub my tub.
[0:39:06] LHL: Oh, wow. I think it's time for rapid fire questions.
[0:39:09] BB: We're there already?
[0:39:10] LHL: Yes, we're there. And so, dear listener, this is our first episode back since our little summer break and we've revamped some of our – or many of our rapid-fire questions.
[0:39:20] BB: We're going to see how this goes. And feel free to write to us and say, "No, bring it back. Bring back the standard original." But Artsy Barsi was getting all sorts of creative with some of these rapid-fire questions.
[0:39:35] LHL: So we just trying out – some of them are kind of similar, but we're trying out some different ones. I think it'll keep it interesting.
[0:39:39] BB: So the questions are slightly longer. But the responses should still be quick. Okay. First one. The color you could paint an entire room and never get tired of.
[0:39:53] HS: Mustard yellow.
[0:39:56] LHL: I love mustard yellow. I's calming but also invigorating at the same time, I think. I think it's a really creative color. Not that I'm answering these questions.
[0:40:06] HS: No. I agree. I agree with your answer.
[0:40:12] LHL: A scent that instantly puts you somewhere else.
[0:40:14] HS: Eucalyptus.
[0:40:17] BB: Now I have to ask a follow-up question. This is good because now I can figure out how to craft the questions further. Okay, why eucalyptus, where? Because it brings you somewhere else. So the question should be the scent that instantly puts you somewhere else. And where?
[0:40:36] HS: I don't know how to have a short answer to it.
[0:40:38] BB: See, this is growing pains, friends.
[0:40:40] LHL: Yep.
[0:40:41] HS: When I was eight, I went to a hula hoop camp.
[0:40:44] BB: What? That's amazing.
[0:40:49] LHL: Pretty sure you peaked the mic there.
[0:40:51] BB: I'm sorry. That sounds so much fun.
[0:40:53] LHL: But that is the proper response.
[0:40:58] HS: We made our own hula hoops and then made hula hoop dances. But also, she was really cool and did fire and aerial and was really into essential oils. So she was like, "This one will help you if your nose is stuffed up." And eucalyptus was like –
[0:41:13] BB: A eucalyptus hula hoop? I need to learn all about this. This is fabulous.
[0:41:20] LHL: Man. Do you still hula?
[0:41:21] HS: No.
[0:41:22] LHL: Okay.
[0:41:24] HS: Maybe one day, yeah.
[0:41:26] LHL: A sound that you never get tired of hearing.
[0:41:29] HS: When my partner comes home from work and I hear their car pull up.
[0:41:33] LHL: Aww. Shucks, that's adorable.
[0:41:35] HS: Like, "Yay, they're back."
[0:41:38] LHL: How long have you two been together?
[0:41:40] HS: Almost five years.
[0:41:41] LHL: Nice. See, that's great.
[0:41:41] BB: Oh, my gosh. So really when you moved to the area. Just shortly after. That's awesome.
[0:41:46] HS: Yeah, that's part of why I stayed.
[0:41:48] LHL: That's awesome.
[0:41:48] HS: I'm like, "I like this person."
[0:41:51] BB: Nice. A texture you can't stop touching.
[0:41:56] LHL: Becky made a really interesting shimmy there.
[0:42:00] BB: You can tell probably by the tone of my voice. Oh, my gosh. Sorry.
[0:42:15] HS: I was going to try to mimic the way you did it. A texture I can't stop touching is the feeling of a paperback book.
[0:42:22] BB: Oh, I like that.
[0:42:22] LHL: Yeah.
[0:42:25] BB: A taste that feels like home.
[0:42:27] HS: Fried chicken.
[0:42:27] BB: Nice.
[0:42:28] LHL: There you go.
[0:42:30] HS: Specifically Bojangles. Because you can't get Bojangles up here. It's sad.
[0:42:35] BB: I've seen it, but I've never been to it.
[0:42:37] HS: It's so good.
[0:42:38] BB: I'm about to take a road trip through the South. All right. I'll check that out. I'll put that on my travel log. And I think our clincher question –
[0:42:47] LHL: Oh, a couple more rapids. Yeah.
[0:42:48] BB: We should keep on going. Okay, good. Because, I mean, I added a lot of new rapid-fire questions. All right. Are you an early bird or a night owl?
[0:42:55] HS: I'm a night owl.
[0:42:57] LHL: A tool or material you'd rescue in a fire? All your photo albums and important shit has been saved somehow. But the creative thing that you need to rescue.
[0:43:09] HS: The train was distracted.
[0:43:12] LHL: That was the timer. Where's your answer?
[0:43:16] HS: I want to say my sewing machine.
[0:43:18] BB: Nice.
[0:43:19] LHL: Yeah, that's a handy one.
[0:43:21] BB: You get a free, fully loaded studio anywhere in the world with the best lighting, where do you set it up?
[0:43:28] HS: It would be really cool to have a studio in Paris.
[0:43:31] BB: Have you been to Paris?
[0:43:33] HS: Mm-hmm.
[0:43:35] BB: Yeah?
[0:43:34] HS: It was awesome.
[0:43:35] BB: Where in Paris would you want it? Right on the Seine? Next to the Eiffel Tower? In the Luxembourg Gardens?
[0:43:42] HS: In the Luxembourg Gardens. Yeah.
[0:43:44] BB: Yeah, that would be nice.
[0:43:45] HS: That's where I'm picturing it. That'd be lovely. Procreate if you're listening.
[0:43:51] LHL: Seriously. If your work had a soundtrack, what song is playing during the opening credits? That's a hard one. I don't even know what I would pick.
[0:44:00] HS: I know. Working with teens whenever we would always do a question of the day. And if it was anything song related, it just wouldn't happen because everyone was really serious about it, which is so valid. But yeah, a song. I don't know.
[0:44:15] LHL: That's okay. Switching it up. When you create, are you listening to music, podcasts, silence? And if it is music, is it on repeat or is it like the same band or musician or is it all jumbled up?
[0:44:28] HS: I like to listen to audio books, especially if I'm sewing, because then if I'm just going like – or ironing, because it's so repetitive, I can actually listen. Or podcasts such as Creative Guts. I don't know. Lately, I really like Sabrina Carpenter. I don't know. Usually I don't listen to pop like that, but I really like her.
[0:44:52] BB: I know of her through my students, but I am going to have to listen to her on the way home today.
[0:44:57] LHL: She's very sassy and saucy and creative with lines.
[0:45:03] BB: All right. So this is our new approach to our clincher question. A time machine gives you one hour with your younger self as an artist, what do you say?
[0:45:13] HS: There's so many things I could say.
[0:45:17] LHL: The lottery numbers for January 19th, 2025.
[0:45:24] HS: How young?
[0:45:26] BB: Any age. It could be yesterday.
[0:45:31] HS: Sorry, I know I'm thinking too hard about your rapid fire questions. I think I would just say listen to your intuition. Just do whatever feels right.
[0:45:41] BB: Nice. That's good.
[0:45:43] LHL: That is really good advice.
[0:45:44] BB: Listen to your gut.
[0:45:46] LHL: And have the guts to put your work out there. Yeah. Haley, this has been so fun chatting with you. I feel like through your work and seeing you at events, like I feel like I've known you, but I don't. And so this gave me a really great opportunity to really get to know you a little better.
[0:45:59] BB: Yeah. Thank you so much for being here, sharing some of your background, your amazing experiences, your ideas for where you want to go in the future. But also, thank you for building more arts opportunities, creative opportunities and outlets for our community. It's a really, really important thing. And we're so happy to have you on here to help celebrate it.
[0:46:19] HS: Thank you for having me. This was really nice. Thanks for hosting a really awesome podcast highlighting people in our community. There's so many people in our community. Oh, my gosh.
[0:46:29] LHL: We'll never run out of people to interview.
[0:46:30] HS: No, the list is very, very long.
[0:46:33] LHL: Yep. So thank you again, Haley, for being on the show. And with that –
[0:46:38] ALL: Show us your creative guts.
[0:46:44] LHL: What a lovely conversation with Haley.
[0:46:46] BB: She's so sweet.
[0:46:47] LHL: Haley, thank you so much for being on the Creative Guts show and sharing all the things that you do with us.
[0:46:53] BB: Yeah, I was really excited to hear about Haley's background and that she didn't go to art school. She attended a creative arts and writing heavy high school, but that wasn't her discipline in college. But yet it is something that is deeply meaningful and important to her life and as an outlet for expression and how she started working with Arts in Reach during AmeriCorps and then has continued to build community opportunities for creatives to dip their toes into different media, like Art 'Round the Room, which she was one of our teachers at last year. And we loved having her there. But now she's thinking about pursuing this further and is interested in art therapy. And it warms my heart to know that there are amazing people like Haley in this world who see the value of the arts, especially for expression and overcoming challenges as an outlet for processing and just creating. And creativity is such an important element in our world. Thank you for doing that, Haley.
[0:47:55] LHL: Yeah. I mean, I've been a massive fan of her work for ages and I'm wearing her shirt, which I've had for a long time to prove it. I'm at the point where I'm thinking of buying a backup shirt of this shirt because I'm afraid I'm going to get something on it.
[0:48:06] BB: Get multiple colors too.
[0:48:08] LHL: I think I might need to. But her work is just so lovely. These whimsical, darling creatures with mighty messages. I mean, her work just speaks volumes. And then on the other side, the collage and everything, especially the intuitiveness of it, because I think we're all creatives. It's just what kind and do we tap into it? Do we flex that muscle? And recognizing the intuition that comes with knowing that we're all creative is part of the magic of what she does with her workshops and everything. And so like intuitive collage, that sort of stuff, I'm a big fan of. And I think it makes me want to lean into that even more and like trust myself working with mediums that I don't normally work with and stuff. I think that's an important reminder for even established creatives. Just all around super cool human being.
[0:48:54] BB: And she's got creative guts.
[0:48:55] LHL: Yes. Really does.
[0:48:56] BB: 100%.
[0:48:57] LHL: Yes. Haley, you're welcome back on Creative Guts anytime. We love talking with you.
[0:49:02] BB: And also, Haley has asked about joining our programming committee, which is something we're looking for volunteers to help with Creative Guts in the future. And she's interested. So we're grateful for that. And if you're interested, keep an eye out on the socials. You never know. You could help us to grow and build and continue to provide these opportunities.
[0:49:19] LHL: I'd even say, if you're ever interested in joining the programming committee, just email us, reach out. And we meet monthly to talk about the programs of Creative Guts to divide up the work that it takes behind a lot of the admin and planning, marketing, all that stuff. Many hands make lighter work.
[0:49:34] BB: Want to see more of Haley's work? All of their links are in the episode description and over on our website at creativegutspodcast.com.
[0:49:41] LHL: And hey, you should come hang out with us. Creative Guts is on Instagram, Facebook, and LinkedIn for traditional social media, but we also have a really snazzy Discord. If you want to be social but not have to deal with algorithms and that BS, this is where you can find like-minded community. If none of those are your cup of tea, you should join our newsletter on Substack, which you can sign up through our website so you'll always know what's next.
[0:50:06] BB: This episode is sponsored in part by the Rochester Museum of Fine Arts. Thank you to our friends in Rochester for backing up the show. And a big thank you to Art Up Front Street for giving Creative Guts a place to record.
[0:50:17] LHL: And a huge thank you to Kennebunk Savings Bank for sponsoring the podcast. We really appreciate your support. If this episode gave you something, a laugh, an idea, a little push, here are a few ways to send that energy back. Leave us a review, interact with our posts, grab some merch, or make a donation that helps make this podcast and the work we do possible. Every bit keeps the mics on and we generally appreciate you.
[0:50:43] BB: Thanks for tuning in. We'll be back next Wednesday with another episode of Creative Guts. Until then –
[0:50:49] LHL & BB: Show us your creative guts.
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